Distributor, educator, importer, and more. Rion Toal has dedicated many years of his life to introducing amazing spirits to others, and creating a stage for many lesser known producers. Whether with his podcast, or co-organizing efforts for Maestros Del Mezcal, he continues to dive into the roots and scientific undercurrents of agave. Recorded in downtown Oaxaca, we talk about education, family, purpose, and more
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Ep 336 – Sergio Garnier: The World Is Not Enough
Sergio Garnier has studied throughout the world to understand the inner-workings of business and operations. With a deep background in animal services and cattle ranching, the creation of a Mezcal brand seemed relatively incongruent. But an exploration of the region of Durango and utilizing the natural plants growing on his family’s ranch, Sergio created Ultramundo mezcal. The rustic, peppery, and hauntingly fruity mezcal is beyond unique and is finally making its way across the United States. Sergio and I talk about music, art, design, and NASA.
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Ep 333 – Jesse Estes: 8 Ways to Tequila
Tequila Ocho is one of the most revered Tequilas in the world. The rich history of its founder Tomas Estes as a restauranteur and man of the people will remain at the root of the brand. But as the world rallies after his death, his son Jesse has taken the reins and lights up every room he teaches in. In a basement speakeasy, Kinfolk, we talk about life, his father’s legacy, his paradigm on selling Tequila, and settle into a wonderful tasting of all things Ocho.
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Ep 332 – Alejandro Champion: Curating a Sacred Union
To think an artistic spirit and dedication to the promotion of other’s artwork would translate into the world of Mezcal is an interesting twist. Alejandro Champion, a founder of Union Mezcal, has a life steeped in creativity. From familial roots in architecture to a discerning eye for art, Alejandro’s journey eventually led him to the world of Mezcal. From one form of art to the next, he continues to promote agave and the work of others in his gallery in CDMX. We chat film, mindsets, agave, and more.











